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Office Ladies | Episode 233 - All About Kevin Malone
Jenna [00:00:04] I'm Jenna Fischer.
Angela [00:00:04] And I'm Angela Kinsey.
Jenna [00:00:06] We were on the office together.
Angela [00:00:08] And we're best friends.
Jenna [00:00:09] And now we're doing the Ultimate Office Lovers podcast just for you.
Angela [00:00:13] Each week, we will dive deeper into the world of the office with exclusive interviews, behind the scenes details, and lots of BFF stories.
Jenna [00:00:21] We're the office ladies 6.0.
Angela [00:00:26] Hi there. We have a really fun office, ladies. 6.0 today.
Jenna [00:00:30] We do. It is all about Kevin Malone with special guest Brian Baumgartner.
Angela [00:00:36] In the studio.
Jenna [00:00:37] In studio. Well, I want to kick things off with this fan question from Daria R in Port Perry, Ontario, Canada. Daria asks, Where is Kevin really from? There are so many misconceptions. In one episode, Michael says, quote, Men from Scranton when referring to Kevin but in delivery Part two Kevin says he's not from Scranton. What is with that? Is there anything in the show Bible?
Angela [00:01:05] Seriously, what's up with that?
Jenna [00:01:07] Well, there's nothing specific about where he is from in the show Bible. It does list his current address, which is very specific. It's 1668 Summit Point. It also lists his vehicle. A silver CRV.
Angela [00:01:25] Oh, I can see him driving a silver CRV.
Jenna [00:01:28] You could.
Angela [00:01:28] Yeah.
Jenna [00:01:29] Well, he does.
Angela [00:01:30] Well, there you go.
Jenna [00:01:30] So that's good.
Angela [00:01:31] Okay.
Jenna [00:01:32] It also lists his job as accountant. However, in Scott's tots, remember we learned he first applied for a job in the warehouse, but Michael hired him as an accountant because he had, quote, a feeling about him. But then he does have a diploma by his desk that says he got his associate of science degree in accounting from an online university called Pen Foster College. Pen foster is a real college where people can get their degree online.
Angela [00:02:02] What is the science of accounting? Is that like the math course I took in college called Ideas of Mathematics?
Jenna [00:02:09] Is accounting a science degree? There's like, you can get your Bachelor of Arts or your Bachelor of Science. So does accounting because it's part of math fall under science? Are these like, you know what I mean? Like, I have a theater degree that fell under Bachelor of Arts, right?
Sam [00:02:29] Accounting is considered both a science and an art.
Jenna [00:02:33] Did you Google that or is that a personal opinion?
Sam [00:02:35] No, no, no, that's google.
Angela [00:02:38] Yeah. All right. Okay. There you go.
Jenna [00:02:41] So, Daria, I'm sorry. I can't answer your specific question, but you did cause me to open up the show Bible, and I felt that I should do a show Bible summary of Kevin Malone.
Angela [00:02:53] Well, I was hoping you would, so. Yeah. Yay, Daria.
Jenna [00:02:57] I'll have you know, the very first line of Kevin's show Bible says, quote, suffers from anal fissures.
Angela [00:03:05] Oh, Kevin.
Jenna [00:03:06] That's the very first thing the show will tell us about.
Angela [00:03:09] What a way to lead off.
Jenna [00:03:10] That's what it says. But here's your summary. Kevin always sets the thermostat to 69 degrees.
Angela [00:03:20] And then giggles.
Jenna [00:03:21] His favorite candy is m&ms, and he wins the contest for putting the most in his mouth at one time.
Angela [00:03:28] Well, that's what she said.
Jenna [00:03:31] He loves them so much he hid them from the Stanford Transfer employees. He says he just cannot stop himself when it comes to m&ms. His favorite lunch is Cup of Noodles. His favorite movie is American Pie two.
Angela [00:03:47] Not the first one.
Jenna [00:03:48] The second one. The second one.
Angela [00:03:49] Very specific.
Jenna [00:03:50] He requires a magazine, one giving a urine sample. He also takes off his tie when urinating. And he doesn't wash his hands after using the restroom. We have a lot of information.
Angela [00:04:02] Why do we have so much bathroom info?
Jenna [00:04:03] I don't know. On his bathroom habits.
Angela [00:04:05] Why does he take off his tie?
Jenna [00:04:07] There was an episode, I guess, for he reveals he takes off. Is tired. He doesn't want it to dip in the toilet.
Angela [00:04:14] My gosh. I don't. I don't want that visual image of my brain.
Jenna [00:04:19] He was once engaged to be married to a woman named Stacy. Stacy who has a daughter. Stacy was the fourth woman he had proposed to, and he secretly considered her his second choice.
Angela [00:04:33] Him and Andy Bernard have a lot in common, actually, about love and romance.
Jenna [00:04:40] After Kevin and Stacy break up, he asks out Lynn, but we find out later. She just wanted to be friends. He plays drums and sings in the band Scrantonicity. But they had a falling out. And so now his band is Scrantonicity Two. This leads me to a fan catch from Amelia T.in Bogota, Colombia. Amelia says we need to get to the bottom of this. Meaning Kevin's band. In the extended cut of basketball around the eight minute mark. Kevin tells Dwight that he has an a Steve Miller tribute band, not a police cover band. Are we to believe he switches band genres at some point, or is this a continuity error? Well, Amelia, I'll tell you. Yes, he says Steve Miller tribute band in that deleted scene from basketball, which is now in the superfan episode. It was always the writers intention to have Kevin's band be a Steve Miller tribute band.
Angela [00:05:35] I remember that.
Jenna [00:05:36] He tells Katie in Hot Girl that he's in a Steve Miller tribute band.
Angela [00:05:40] She's not a fan.
Jenna [00:05:41] That's right. But when we filmed Casino Night, which is the episode where Pam and Jim watch videos of his band. We couldn't get permission from Steve Miller band to play their songs.
Angela [00:05:53] Yeah, they said we don't want to be on the office.
Jenna [00:05:56] So we had to change it to the police. That's what happened. You want more Kevin info?
Angela [00:06:01] Yeah.
Jenna [00:06:02] All right. I mean, we need to get to know Kevin very well.
Angela [00:06:05] This is all about Kevin Malone.
Jenna [00:06:07] Well, I'm giving you all we know.
Angela [00:06:09] Give it all to me.
Jenna [00:06:10] Kevin won the 2002, 2500 no limit, deuce to seven draw a tournament at the World Series of Poker in Las Vegas. He's good at basketball. He's also good at trivia night. He is an avid gambler. He bets on sports. In fact, he uses petty cash to gamble at the golf course. But the thing he thinks he does best is making chili. He has also cooked his way through Julia Child's cookbook and part of The Twilight Cookbook. He has an adopted dog named Ruby. And Kevin is also a loyal friend. He stood up to the state senator when he was mean to Oscar and Angela. He's the one who noticed when Andy was suffering from a mental breakdown. He is, however, not a great accountant. He invented the number caleven and was eventually fired for incompetence. And Daria, as far as family, there is nothing in the show Bible. So we're going to have to look at some supplemental office content. There isn't much, but in the webisode the podcast, Kevin says he is Irish and there is a deleted scene from Andy's play that Angela you mentioned. When we broke down that episode where we learn Kevin has a sister who is actually in the play.
Angela [00:07:28] In the play, yeah.
Jenna [00:07:29] Let's listen.
OFFICE CLIP [00:07:32] Hi, Kevin. Hi, Stuart. This is my brother Kevin. Hi. I can't believe you came to every show. You were good. Thank you, see you never come to anything I ever do. So what's the change? We need to put Mom in a home.
Angela [00:07:51] So we learned a little bit there about his sister and his mom.
Jenna [00:07:54] Yeah. But that's all there is. We only meet her through that deleted scene, and it's probably why she didn't make it into the show Bible. And listen, we do ask Brian about this in our interview coming up later in the episode, and he does share some reasons why we don't know more about Kevin's backstory. So stay tuned.
Angela [00:08:16] Well, I love me some show Bible lady.
Jenna [00:08:19] It always delivers.
Angela [00:08:20] Well I thought we can't talk about all about Kevin Malone without discussing that classic chilly Cold Open, written by Aaron Shur. You guys know it's the scene that kicks off Season five Episode Casual Friday. Brian once said in an interview that this scene is, quote, about an ordinary guy who doesn't do a lot well, but he does chili well, and obviously it doesn't succeed. But you hear in his voice how excited he is to be sharing this thing that he does well. And then Kevin, of course, says it's probably the thing I do best. Brian said he gets asked about this scene all the time of all the things that he's done on The Office.
Jenna [00:08:59] I mean, he wrote a whole chili cookbook.
Angela [00:09:02] Yes, he did. And, you know, I've traveled a lot with Brian. We often got paired up to travel. And it is something people just really connect with him about. And they have put Kevin spilling the chili. I have seen it on a tattoo on someone's leg. On T-shirts, on baby onesies, on a birthday cake. It's just it's very popular. And I thought, you know, we can't do this episode without actually having Kevin's chili. Brian put it in his chili cookbook. It's called Kevin's Famous Chili. I asked Josh if he could make it last night, and he did. And it's really good.
Jenna [00:09:43] I mean, the way he describes it with the onions and the things like.
Angela [00:09:48] Yes, I thought we had to hear it.
OFFICE CLIP [00:09:52] At least once a year. I like to bring in some of my Kevin's famous chili. The trick is to undercook the onions. Everybody is going to get to know each other in the pot. I'm serious about this stuff. I'm up the night before pressing garlic and dicing whole tomatoes. I toast my own ancho chilies hands. It's a recipe passed down from Malone's for generations. It's probably the thing I do best.
Jenna [00:10:29] I mean, I am so excited. You told me that Josh was doing this, and I wrote you back, and I said, This is my lunch today. I packed no lunch. This is what I want to eat.
Angela [00:10:40] You were like please bring this chili in. I do want to tell you guys, we talked in such depth about this scene, how we made the scene in the episode Casual Friday. So if you haven't heard it, it's a great listen.
Jenna [00:10:52] It is. We got a lot of good inside scoop from Aaron Schur and also from Brian.
Angela [00:10:56] Yeah, well, I did bring chili today. I brought Kevin's famous Chili out of Brian's cookbook. Seriously Good Chili cookbook. I'm going to go heat it up.
Jenna [00:11:06] All right. Well, why don't we take a break? And when we come back, we're going to eat some chili. All right. We are back and we are eating Kevin's famous chili. Thank you, Josh!
Angela [00:11:28] I know. It's really good. Really good. There's something about chili that just makes you feel cozy, doesn't it?
Jenna [00:11:40] Yes, this has, like, exactly the right amount of spice for me. I get a little kick, but it's not overpowering. And what is this? Is this the ale? Doesn't it call for lager. Right. Is that what this taste is? I don't know. I like it.
Sam [00:11:54] The thinly diced onions really make a difference.
Angela [00:11:59] You know what? They all got to know each other in the pot.
Jenna [00:12:01] They did. And they're making me very happy. I think we should mention, Cassi, you are unable to try this chili, because you're joining us on Zoom today. I'm so sorry.
Angela [00:12:18] I was going to say, Cassi, if you were here, we would have made a vegetarian option. Okay. It is not vegetarian. Kevin's recipe is not.
Jenna [00:12:31] Well, that was incredible and very satisfying. And I thank Josh and I thank Brian Baumgartner for putting that in this cookbook.
Angela [00:12:39] And Kevin.
Jenna [00:12:40] And Kevin.
Angela [00:12:41] And Aaron Schur I guess for writing the cold open, there's lots of people to thank.
Jenna [00:12:46] All right. Well, I'm gonna put this away now and I am going to get into, I guess, what I'm calling my deep dive area of interest. We each picked one.
Angela [00:12:56] We each picked a topic about Kevin we wanted to explore.
Jenna [00:13:00] I wanted to explore the evolution of Kevin. There's a lot of articles about it. We got a lot of fan mail about it, so I was really intrigued.
Angela [00:13:11] I mean, it sounds like a very fancy title, The Evolution of Kevin.
Jenna [00:13:16] Thank you.
Angela [00:13:16] You're welcome.
Jenna [00:13:17] Thank you so much. You know, initially the character of Kevin was mostly used for cutaway gags or, like, funny one liners. He was painted with a pretty broad brush. I was going through old episodes, and there's that episode from season two drug testing, and it's where Dwight is questioning Kevin about the joint that was found in the parking lot. I thought that this was a really good example of how the character of Kevin was used early on. So I thought we could listen to it.
Angela [00:13:48] Okay.
OFFICE CLIP [00:13:49] Let's go over some of the symptoms of marijuana use, shall we? You tell me who this sounds like. Slow moving, inattentive. Dull. Constantly snacking. Shows a lack of motivation. Hey.
Jenna [00:14:14] That's it. His line is, Hey.
Angela [00:14:17] It's the same way he says. Stacy. Sorry. I'm still eating chili, I'm sorry.
Jenna [00:14:24] We're supposed to put that down, but it's hard to resist.
Angela [00:14:27] I know. Also, I know there's some people who really have a hard time listening to other people eat or chew. It's like a thing. So many apologies. I'm going to stop eating now. Okay.
Jenna [00:14:37] If you can.
Angela [00:14:38] I know.
Jenna [00:14:39] Okay. We got this fan question from Leighton R in Folsom, California, who says, Kevin has some of the funniest one liners on the show. Which Kevin line or moment still makes you laugh the most when you think back on it? Well, I thought this was a great question, and so we threw it out to the group and we thought everybody could share. Sam, Cassi, Ang, who wants to go first?
Sam [00:15:05] I'll go first.
Angela [00:15:06] Okay.
Sam [00:15:07] So I'm a big fan of when Kevin first introduces why he's been going into Jim's office. Here, I'll play it for you.
Angela [00:15:14] Okay.
OFFICE CLIP [00:15:16] Jim's gone on his honeymoon, so I started borrowing his office to fart in and then one day I came in and I just stayed because this place is awesome. It feels like home now. Even better than my home. My home sucks.
Sam [00:15:34] It's perfectly Kevin. It's funny and so sad. So tragic.
Jenna [00:15:40] Well, it's interesting because my favorite is from the episode right before from Jim and Pam wedding. Let me set it up for you. He's at the hotel and he's wearing his toupee and he's very proudly walking down the hall. Here's what he says.
OFFICE CLIP [00:15:59] What an awesome party. The best wedding I've ever been to. I got six numbers. One more would have been a complete telephone number.
Jenna [00:16:10] Yeah, we got. He got six individual numbers from women.
Angela [00:16:15] Yeah.
Jenna [00:16:16] One more and he would have had someone to call.
Angela [00:16:18] He was so close.
Jenna [00:16:19] So close. Cassi, do you want to go next?
Cassi [00:16:24] Sure. There's a lot of great Kevin moments. And any scene with Kevin always cracks me up. But when we haven't talked about is in Mafia how he phrases Jim's credit card while on his honeymoon with Pam in Puerto Rico. Again, That's so funny.
Angela [00:16:42] That is so great. I forgot about that.
OFFICE CLIP [00:16:46] Hello. Hello, Mr. Halpert. I'm calling from the identity theft department at Capital One. We've detected some unusual activity on your credit card. Man. Do you think it was stolen? First, would you mind verifying your home address? Yes. 383 Linden AV, Scranton, P.A.. And may I have the last four digits of your Social Security? 6650. Well, Mr. Halpert, you're obviously not in San Juan, Puerto Rico. Wait a minute. Yes, I am. I'm going to go ahead and put a hold on your card. No, that I think that we should let the criminal use the card a little longer. Very funny, sir. We'll get a new card out to you right away. No. Have a nice day. And thank you.
Angela [00:17:35] His whimper at the end. So good. Well, you guys, my favorite moment isn't so much like a funny line. It's more of a moment when he stood up for Angela. You sort of mentioned this earlier, Jenna, in your show Bible. It's from the episode vandalism. And, you know, the senator and Angela have had all their fancy friends over to their house and they're getting this group photo with baby Phillip. And Oscar and Angela are pushing each other and fighting to be in the front of the picture. And as they leave, Kevin stands up for them to the senator. And here's the clip.
OFFICE CLIP [00:18:07] Thank you so much. Well, we all calmed down. Yeah. Yes, Sorry about that. It was all my fault. Let's all try to do better next time. Kevin, great to see you. Thank you for the food. And also, you suck. I beg your pardon? You are like a terrible person. These guys care about you and you're just using them. Again, the food was very good.
Angela [00:18:42] And then Angela has a little smile.
Jenna [00:18:44] Well Ang, Lauren J. From Massachusetts wrote in, and this is also her favorite Kevin moment. Not only that, Lauren said, Kevin is one of my favorite characters. Lauren thinks that that moment is a humanizing moment, and it shows that Kevin is not just the office goofball, but that he loves people and he stands up for them.
Angela [00:19:08] Yeah.
Jenna [00:19:08] And Lauren, Collider agrees with you. They actually put out an article in April of 2023 asking if Kevin was actually the heart of the office. Yeah. And this is where we get into kind of the evolution of the character going from a guy who does silly one liners to having so much more depth. The article points out that while Kevin may not be the smartest character, his simplicity and his genuine desire for happiness really resonated with audiences. Kevin is portrayed as a loyal friend who often lacks any kind of agenda. He just seeks laughter and connection rather than personal gain. And the article points out that while Kevin wanted to be liked, Michael kind of needed to be liked at like an obsessive level. And you also have characters like Dwight, Oskar and Angela, who really needed to feel superior to everybody. Jim was always kind of trying to impress Pam or make her laugh. But of all the characters, Kevin really just wants to live in the moment. Collider also points out that when Kevin accidentally found out that Oscar was having an affair with Angela's husband, he is the one who is able to keep the secret.
Angela [00:20:25] He kept it so good.
Jenna [00:20:28] So good, he kept that secret. And that if he does make a crass joke, it's never to be mean or cruel. And that, in fact, it really causes him pain to hurt anyone. And I wanted to point out one of my other favorite Kevin moments that I think really speaks to this humanizing piece of him that Brian Baumgartner played so well. And it's that moment and chair model when he gets our parking spaces back.
Angela [00:20:58] And he has that talking head.
Jenna [00:20:59] Yeah. Where he says it's just nice to win one.
Angela [00:21:04] Yeah. And he has a little bit of a tear up in his eye.
Jenna [00:21:07] Yeah. So that's my deep dive into Kevin. There are so many other, like, funny one liners that I didn't even get to. Screenrant did a whole list of fan favorites. I can tell you some of them because they are fun.
Angela [00:21:22] Let's hear them.
Jenna [00:21:23] From the incentive, when he says me think why waste time say lot word when few word do trick. From the finale, well, well, well, well, well. That's six wells.
Angela [00:21:35] Yeah, I love that.
Jenna [00:21:36] From viewing party when he says I wanted to eat a pig in a blanket in a blanket. Then also, this one is one of my favorites from Christmas party when he says mini cupcakes, as in the mini version of regular cupcakes, which is already a mini version of a cake. Honestly, where does it end with you people?
Angela [00:21:56] I love like it takes a lot to piss Kevin off. I feel like that did it.
Jenna [00:22:02] And while the point of my deep dive was to point out the more tender and I guess sensitive parts of Kevin. I'm going to end with this clip. This is Kevin from PDA.
OFFICE CLIP [00:22:20] I don't know if anyone else feels this way. And don't get me wrong. I love Michael and Holly, and maybe I'm being overly sensitive, but the PDA. Yes, the freakin PDA. Thank you. Obviously so happy for them both. I don't know, guys. I, for one, enjoy watching them. No. Can I finish? Is that okay? I was saying I enjoy watching them because it makes me horny.
Angela [00:22:55] He fights so hard for, like. Can I finish? Can I finish? Like, maybe he is going to say something like, maybe sentimental or like, I'm happy for them.
Jenna [00:23:04] Like new love. Let them explore this time.
Angela [00:23:06] Can I finish? And then he ends with that.
Jenna [00:23:10] Because it makes him horny.
Angela [00:23:13] That's really good.
Jenna [00:23:15] Well, I love that our writers made all of our characters so layered. It was such a gift to get to play characters like this on a sitcom. You know, they were always willing to give us things that would surprise the audience. And us. And us.
Angela [00:23:35] Yeah.
Jenna [00:23:36] All right, Angela, I'm handing it over to you. I think you have a very fun, deep dive area of interest.
Angela [00:23:42] I do. My deep dive area of interest, such a long title, was inspired by this fan question sent in from Alexander G in Houston, Texas. Alexander wrote and said, I have heard a lot of theories that Kevin is secretly a genius and is committing fraud with company money. There have been some hints and some episode like in Season three, when Martin Nash explains why he went to prison. I want to know your thoughts on this theory. Well, Alexander, there are a lots of lots of fan theories about this, and it sent me down a rabbit hole. I found so many moments on the show that support the secret genius theory. So my title is Kevin Malone. Dot, dot, dot. Secret Genius.
Jenna [00:24:30] Not dot, dot, dot dot?
Angela [00:24:32] No
Jenna [00:24:33] No, just three?
Angela [00:24:36] Just three dots. Which, by the way, my kids have told me, my teenagers, that doing the dot, dot dot is a very old person thing.
Jenna [00:24:42] I've heard any punctuation in a text is like an old person thing. Any capitalization, any period. I, I can't live in that world where we aren't punctuating.
Angela [00:24:57] We were like, What are you talking about? And then they went through our family text thread. And the one that really made us all laugh is that Josh texted the family text thread and said, Coming home from the gym, dot dot dot. And the kids were like, Dot, dot, dot what?
Jenna [00:25:13] Wait, he didn't put anything after the dot dot dot?
Angela [00:25:15] No, coming home from the gym. Dot, dot, dot. And he was like, I just want you guys to know I'm coming home from the gym.
Jenna [00:25:22] I add a lot of dot dot dots in my text messages to sort of help you read it the way I would want you to.
Angela [00:25:31] And for me, it's like I'm moving thoughts here.
Jenna [00:25:33] Yeah, I know. I'm kind of I'm like, I feel like as an actor, I appreciate a lot of punctuation because it helps me get a feel for the dialog. And on the Office. There were a lot of dot dot dots in our script. I know they wanted to like suggest pauses and transitions from one thought to another. So I guess I love a lot of punctuation.
Angela [00:25:55] Well, it means you're old when you text now. Also, my kids said that Josh is like he's the king of dot, dot, dot. But I'm the queen of emojis.
Jenna [00:26:05] Yeah.
Angela [00:26:05] Thumbs up heart, lady dancing.
Jenna [00:26:08] Yeah. Emojis mean you're old to write, you know, the young ones don't emoji?
Angela [00:26:13] I don't know.
Jenna [00:26:14] I don't know either.
Angela [00:26:15] Okay, We don't know.
Jenna [00:26:16] Because we're old. We want to know.
Angela [00:26:17] We wouldn't know. Okay. Sorry. Where was I? Kevin Malone. Dot, dot, dot. Secret genius.
Jenna [00:26:23] Yes, please. Go on.
Angela [00:26:24] Let's start with something that Jenna, you and Kevin have in common. You're both fantastic poker players.
Jenna [00:26:33] Yes.
Angela [00:26:34] Yes. We learn about Kevin's poker playing and casino night. Season two. Here's the moment I'm talking about. You referred to it. Let's hear this Kevin talking head.
OFFICE CLIP [00:26:45] I won the 2002 $2,500 no limit deuce to seven drawer tournament at the World Series of Poker in Vegas. So yeah, I'm pretty good at poker.
Angela [00:26:58] Yeah, a little bit of a flex there. And you know, after watching that Kevin talking head, I thought, what makes a good poker player? What do they all have in common? Here's what the Internet has to say, folks. Okay? They are disciplined, patient, confident, have a mental toughness and a strong understanding of game theory and the math behind poker strategy. They can manage their bankroll effectively and have strong analytical skills, decision making, plus the ability to read opponents, adapt to different playing styles and know how to bluff and to maintain emotional control. Wowzers, It's a lot. It's a lot, lady. You and Kevin can do all that.
Jenna [00:27:47] I don't know if I can do that all the time.
Angela [00:27:48] Well, I think this definitely supports is Kevin a secret genius? He's a lot smarter than he lets on. And there are several more moments that show this. In Season three. In the episode The Convict, we learn that Martin was in prison for insider trading. Kevin has a talking head where he says, I had martin explain to me three times what he got arrested for because it sounds an awful lot like what I do here every day. What's Kevin been doing? Has he been trading Dunder-Mifflin stock or other securities? I mean, what's. What's happening?
Jenna [00:28:21] Maybe some embezzlement.
Angela [00:28:23] Maybe. Then there's the time Kevin out-plays Andy and Darryl in the game dallas in the garage sale episode.
Jenna [00:28:31] Yeah, Yeah.
Angela [00:28:32] Let's hear that.
OFFICE CLIP [00:28:34] Well, there's no instructions. Dallas game. We can figure it out. Yeah, I'm pretty good at four games. So we make it a little interesting. Sure. I'm going to play me a little old blackmail call and call a proxy meeting and take control of Ewing Oil once and for all. No, you can't do that. You can't play a blackmail card and call a proxy meeting in the same term. Why not? Seems to me we're just making up rules because somebody forgot to staple the rule book to the inside of the game like a normal human being. And I'm going to play this here share the wealth card, which entitles me to half of both of you all's money. So if you don't mind. No, this card is from the wrong game. This is from the game of life. It was in the box. Well played. We must honorably adhere to the rules that we are making up on the spot. No, but that's not fair. Well, that's Dallas. Dallas indeed. Okay, guys, it's my turn. You can't go. You're dead. I shot you five moons ago. I told you, you can't shoot people. I told you we're way past rules. We have been for some time now. I started having rules. Now everything we built collapses. Well, this is stupid. And I want my money back. Where's the money? Yeah, who has it? okay, you know what? I am never, ever playing games with you two again. And that is Dallas.
Angela [00:30:21] Do you remember? So what he does is he distracts them and he takes the money, all their money out of the pot. Wow. Yeah. What did he do in that moment, you guys? He adapted to a different playing style. He knew how to bluff. He maintained emotional control, and he got all their money. Wow. Yup. And a special shout out to Sam for helping me put all those clips together, because it's throughout the episode. Yes. But yeah, that's how you play Dallas. Then in the accounting webisodes, it's Kevin who finds Angela's accounting error. And it's also revealed that Kevin has an IQ of over 100.
Jenna [00:30:59] Which isn't that high.
Angela [00:31:00] Which isn't that high.
Jenna [00:31:04] Just not genius level. Well, and sort of being a secret genius.
Angela [00:31:09] Maybe secret genius. Kevin level.
Jenna [00:31:10] What does that mean?
Angela [00:31:11] I don't know. I don't know. I'm just trying to support my deep dive. And in the trivia episode in season eight, it is Kevin who has the winning answers that lead his team, the Einsteins, to Victory.
Jenna [00:31:25] Yes.
Angela [00:31:26] Then he has an interesting talking head afterwards. Let's hear it.
OFFICE CLIP [00:31:29] I know it's easy to say tonight was just a fluke, and maybe it was. But here's a piece of trivia. A fluke is one of the most common fish in the sea. So if you go fishing for a fluke, chances are you just might catch one.
Jenna [00:31:47] And that's a great talking head.
Angela [00:31:50] And guess what? Fluke Fish are very common. According to the Internet, Fluke are abundant in coastal waters from the Gulf of Maine to Florida, especially in the waters from North Carolina to Massachusetts. Kevin's right. He knows his fish.
Jenna [00:32:04] He does. He knows more than we know that he knows.
Angela [00:32:08] Secret genius. Dot, dot, dot. And let's not forget this moment in work bus. Jim says, Let's go, driver. Laverne packs up the pie wagon at five, So. And then Kevin immediately starts doing this math. He says at five. That's only 20 minutes from now. The pie shop is 13 miles away. So at 55 miles an hour, that gives us just five minutes to spare. Angela says. So when pies are involved, you can suddenly do math in your head? And Oscar says, Hold on, Kevin. How much is 19,154 pies divided by 61 pies without missing a beat? Kevin says 314 pies. Lastly is the thing we're going to talk about more in detail with Brian. But Kevin is also a musical genius because he is both the lead singer and drummer, which are notoriously difficult roles to perform at the same time.
Jenna [00:32:59] I want to add that a lot of drummers are really good mathematicians. My son is a drummer and this is something that I have found to be true with other drummers and other drumming musicians. I don't know if it is something about rhythm or beat or whatever it is, or keeping different rhythms and different beats with different appendages. Yeah, but there's like a math throughline there.
Angela [00:33:25] That's really interesting. Well, Alexander, I wanted to thank you for writing in. I do think Kevin is a secret genius, and he's very good at reading people and ultimately getting what he wants. And as for the second part of your question, did he steal money from Dunder Mifflin over the years? Did he commit fraud? Well, you know, I think he very well could have. There are several times we learned that he is using the company petty cash for gambling. And Kevin is definitely a little sneaky.
Jenna [00:33:53] I think that with almost 100% certainty, we could confirm that he has used the company money for personal reasons.
Angela [00:34:02] Yes. Yes.
Jenna [00:34:03] I mean, for sure.
Angela [00:34:04] For sure.
Jenna [00:34:05] Well, Angela, I loved that. Why don't we go to break and when we come back, we will have Brian Baumgartner in studio to talk all about Kevin Malone.
Angela [00:34:15] I love it.
Jenna [00:34:25] Brian, thank you for joining us in our episode. All about Kevin Malone. We've got four Kevin Malone centered questions for you.
Brian [00:34:34] Is this going to be the greatest episode in the history of this show?
Angela [00:34:37] Yeah, it is.
Jenna [00:34:38] We're doing an all about for each character. And this is your chance to win. Question number one.
Brian [00:34:46] Question one.
Jenna [00:34:47] Did you ever create a backstory for the character of Kevin? And if so, can you share some details?
Brian [00:34:56] Wow. Really good question. Much more in depth than I thought it was going to be. Thank you for that.
Jenna [00:35:02] I'm taking you back to theater school here.
Brian [00:35:04] Well, here's what I remember. And it comes with a joke. The breakdowns, the casting listing for Kevin Malone, who, of course, was based on Keith Bishop in the British version of The Office. The casting notice was as follows. The only spectacular thing about Kevin is that he is spectacularly unspectacular. No, the joke in that exists with my manager, who I'm still with to this day, is like calling the casting director, Allison Jones and Phyllis at the time and being like, do I have an unspectacular guy for you? This guy is so unspectacular. You know, it's tough because I think that for me. And at least when we were brought in, that's where it started. So I felt like the back story in a way existed, i.e. visavi Keith. It was very important to me that his name was Malone. I was asked that that was my choice because I knew that I knew that there were a lot of Irish people in Scranton, like they have the second largest.
Angela [00:36:21] St Patrick's day.
Brian [00:36:22] Patrick's Day parade. Like this is a big deal. And so I thought that I thought that that aspect of it was fun. I helped to identify fairly early on. So I think the answer to your question is probably no. But I had some ideas about him and who he was. And pitched Greg on pretty early. Like I liked the idea of the relationship with someone who had a kid and it was like. Before we sort of knew who he was, like as you started to find out those details. A lot of those that I was pitched, but I didn't write a book like I know you did. No, I didn't. I didn't write a book.
Jenna [00:37:05] Well, for example, where did the idea come from for him to be in a band or for him to be good at poker? Were these.
Angela [00:37:15] I feel like the poker thing had to be from pitches.
Brian [00:37:17] Yeah. So I think that the poker thing was a pitch for me. My recollection of that was that whole idea came out of us, one, playing poker like some of the people on the show, right? That that idea came out of it. I think the whole World Series of Poker was because I was good at it. Now, if you remember, the basketball thing was that was discovered by Greg then.
Angela [00:37:48] On the day you were just
Jenna [00:37:49] Dancing around.
Brian [00:37:50] On the on the week. I mean, it was the week. I mean, now if you what I joke about is if you give we were boys I mean Krasinski and I like we were children still then. And like if you have a ball and a hoop in the in a gym, as soon as the teacher is not looking like you're shooting, like you're dribbling and making the ADs crazy because of the bouncing ball and the sound that that has. But that's just what we did.
Angela [00:38:22] And I just remember them feeding you one Brian And you made it and then they fed it to you again and you made it and then you made it. And then everyone just stopped talking and you were just swishing them.
Brian [00:38:31] Yeah. I mean, I think that hat the moment of filming which that, by the way, that was that was one take, too. I never really think about that. But that was one take that that came out of them watching and it's funny now, Kwapis claims it's his idea. Greg claims it's his idea. Carrell claims it was his idea like to turn the cameras on me shooting as everybody's walking off. It was sort of prearranged because someone definitely said like, go over there and shoot and we'll bring the cameras over to you. But then it went on and on.
Angela [00:39:02] Well, my memory was you were shooting, like you said, between takes. Yes. And you kept making them. Yes. And then we all were like kind of whispering to Matt and Randall, like, you guys should film Brian when he's doing this because he's making them all.
Brian [00:39:16] See, Kinsey takes credit for it, too. Everyone/
Angela [00:39:19] No, I'm not taking credit. I just remember there was a little bit of a buzz on set, like is someone getting this? And then it came down to me and I said, look..
Brian [00:39:31] Randall, get your ass over there and film this. Yeah. So, I mean, I think the thing that was was really important to me was the idea that Kevin was not a Kevin. Let me explain that. That made no sense.
Jenna [00:39:50] But I think I know where you're going with this.
Brian [00:39:52] The idea if you saw in 99% of other sitcoms, a character such as Kevin, he would exist in a certain way. There would be ketchup stains on his shirt. It would be untucked. There would be slovenly, I guess would be the word. And so early on in conversations, I don't know if this was a back story per se, but in talking with the producers, but also wardrobe. I mean, even in that basketball scene you just reference Kevin's wearing a sport coat and all of that was very intentional by me. I was like, look, he is attempting as best he can in his dockers and his like plaid ish, like very ordinary jackets. He's putting it together. He has his tie on. It's not loose like he's putting it together. It may not work. All the best. And so I think that there was a a series of contradictions that was very interesting to me in that like that there are things that he is good at that you would not expect him to be good at. So, yes, in terms of that, that was something in terms of the construction of the character, that that was really important to me. And the last thing I'll say is that the greatest, maybe insider writers room joke about Kevin has to do with this very thing which was Kevin was in a band. It was a police cover band. He played the drums and was the lead singer. However, I didn't know this, but this is their joke, in the police the singing happens off of the beat of the drums. So for a person to be a drummer, lead singer, you would literally have to be a musical savant to be able to sing off of the beat of the drums that you're playing. So that was sort of like a, I don't know, like an encapsulation of the idea that I did want for him that I did. I did want it to be not that stereotype that we like immediately. Like, we get who that is.
Jenna [00:42:15] What about like family of origin stuff? We never meet Kevin's family. Yeah. Did you have anything in your head about that?
Brian [00:42:24] No, no, no, not really. The Irish thing was important, and I know that I came up with that. But that was more regional than anything else. And the relationship, the idea behind the relationship is not revealed for a while. But that was something that we talked about, which I did think about. Like what? Where does he go when he goes home? And again, the idea of not wanting it to be necessarily what you would expect, like, he is going home to a person, a partner, and, there's actually a child there. You know, all of those things again. But in terms of like no, like parents and stuff, that was not anything I thought about.
Angela [00:43:07] Yeah. Brian, do you remember, because we were over there in the little accounting nook and the writers would come over and say, Hey. And I'll never forget one time I said, we were talking about this very thing. And I said, I really want to see where Kevin goes when he goes home or I want to see where people live. And I forgot. I think it was maybe B.J. And he goes, Angela, it's called the office. I was like, okay. All right, fair enough.
Brian [00:43:36] It's not Modern Family.
Angela [00:43:38] Well, I have a question for you. Was there ever a Kevin storyline that you pitched that never made it in an episode but you wish it had?
Brian [00:43:45] Yes, I pitched pretty hard. And I don't remember if it was at this moment in time if this was pre season 8 or 9. There are definitely been romantic somewhat a story between Erin and Andy. I pitched that Kevin and Erin got together. That was my pitch because I thought that sort of again, one of the things I felt like the show did really well was put together couples that weren't necessarily that you wouldn't necessarily think about. And the idea of Kevin as a tree trunk and Erin as this hummingbird, nonstop energy that just continued to flit around me. And my pitch was for them to get together and they didn't.
Angela [00:44:37] That would have been hilarious. I would have loved to seen the two of them on a date.
Brian [00:44:40] That's, by the way, I shared that with Ellie when I had a conversation with her on my podcast. And she at least publicly said the same thing.
Jenna [00:44:50] There was an episode, though, where for a minute Kevin thinks he is going to date Erin.
Brian [00:44:58] Yes. And I can't remember if that came out. I mean, I was basically told, no, I don't think we were told all that often to stay in your lane. But they had this idea for Andy and Erin, which I think ultimately I'm not sure worked out the way that they had thought that it was going to and that I just felt like I saw early on, I just felt like I felt like there was a lot of comedic possibility in that. And I feel like they were potentially looking for I mean, it's probably I don't know, so I shouldn't speak to it, but a sort of Jim and Pam 2.0 potentially or something. But I felt like Erin was so strong. I mean, her characterization was was so strong and so specifically, well, like a hummingbird. And Andy was different. I just I felt like they were mismatched. I think ultimately the show says that they were mismatched. And I just thought, yeah, that was that's that was my one pitch.
Jenna [00:46:04] Is there a line of dialog or a talking head that you think embodies the character of Kevin?
Brian [00:46:15] The two that jumped into my head really quickly. I'll share with you, but they're not my final answer. The first one that popped into my head was LMNOP, the other one, then it suddenly went to you can't eat cats. You can't eat cats, Kevin. Those two made me laugh more than any other one's.
Angela [00:46:40] My favorite. And maybe because it's so fresh in my mind, Brian, is when Kevin goes. Philip. Philip. All about Philip. I hate Phillip.
Brian [00:46:51] I think about that every time I hear the word Philip, actually. I guess for me, this is the cheesy answer. This is the more serious answer would be. It's just nice to win one.
Angela [00:47:09] That was a great one.
Jenna [00:47:11] That. Yeah, I think that that does embody Kevin, I think.
Brian [00:47:17] Yeah.
Jenna [00:47:17] Right. Yeah. I think that's. I think that's the answer.
Brian [00:47:20] Yeah.
Jenna [00:47:21] Yeah. All right. Our final question is something that Zach Woods asked us.
Brian [00:47:27] Okay.
Jenna [00:47:27] When we interviewed him.
Brian [00:47:29] Which he ended up interviewing us. And it was fantastic.
Brian [00:47:32] Yeah.
Jenna [00:47:33] But I love it. And it is this, if you could go back and relive any moment from our nine years together on The Office and I guess specifically playing Kevin since this is all about Kevin Malone.
Brian [00:47:51] Okay.
Jenna [00:47:53] What would you like to relive or re-experience?
Brian [00:47:58] Wow as playing Kevin?
Jenna [00:48:00] Well. I mean, I guess since this is all about Kevin Malone, but you can tell us as Brian, too.
Angela [00:48:07] If there was a day you could go back to on the set.
Brian [00:48:11] Not being in the swimming pool. That was the worst.
Angela [00:48:13] That was horrible.
Brian [00:48:16] That's a no.
Jenna [00:48:17] We know what you don't want to do.
Brian [00:48:19] Yeah. I'm going to give a couple of those. Not being in the parking lot for any number of episodes, but specifically, I remember the fire episode.
Angela [00:48:28] It was so hot.
Brian [00:48:30] Just like, so horrifying.
Jenna [00:48:32] Because we didn't have chairs.
Brian [00:48:35] We didn't have chairs. And it was in a coat. We were in coats.
Jenna [00:48:38] Yeah, we didn't sit. We just stood on that blacktop.
Brian [00:48:41] My shoes melting.
Angela [00:48:43] And we had to look up and like, it was so hot.
Jenna [00:48:46] Yeah. Okay, So we're not. We're not. We're not reliving those.
Brian [00:48:49] Not those. Not, you know. Spoiler alert. Kevin did a lot of physical comedy in the show and like, big things where I was never injured when we worked in the warehouse and we put oil on the ground and we're sliding across the box. And then there was a talking head where I think it was John and Rainn. Jim and Dwight talking on a sofa was definitely one of them. Maybe both of them like together. And it was, just walk behind them and then slip and disappear. My back still hurts.
Angela [00:49:27] No.
Brian [00:49:27] Just like, because it was like it had to go down fast.
Jenna [00:49:31] Yeah.
Brian [00:49:31] That was not my favorite. I love that I'm just answering, what my not favorites were.
Jenna [00:49:36] I feel like the moment you want to relive is the scene with Pam played by just the amazing Jenna Fischer.
Brian [00:49:45] She was so good, wasn't she? Yeah.
Jenna [00:49:47] Yeah. Or maybe when you had a scene in Accounting with the just comedic talent, that is Angela Kinsey.
Brian [00:49:56] Yeah.
Jenna [00:49:56] Not sure how you pick between the two.
Brian [00:49:59] I don't remember her.
Angela [00:50:02] Do you know what one of my favorites, Brian. And this, like, was just us being ridiculous because we were always messing with each other, like we said. But I'll never forget that time where I was just supposed to say to Oscar something about payroll, and you turned and bumped into me by accident. And when you hit me, I went, you body checked me? We started laughing so hard, and they were like, No, keep that in. So every time he bumped into me and I would go payroll.
Brian [00:50:35] Yeah, I got in trouble for that over the year because then we started doing that a little bit as.
Angela [00:50:39] As a bit. And then you pushed me into a hedge.
Jenna [00:50:43] I know what you want to relive.
Angela [00:50:45] Okay.
Jenna [00:50:45] Work Bus.
Brian [00:50:48] That's another one where we all almost died. That one?
Angela [00:50:54] Brian Cranston.
Brian [00:50:55] I don't know. I feel like.
Jenna [00:50:56] You don't want to relive anything. You're like, I did it. Stop trying to make me go back there.
Brian [00:51:02] No. Look, I think that for me. I mean, there's like the easy answer now, right? Which is like the Chili one, which again, was all alone when no one else was there.
Angela [00:51:14] Also, your hands were stained.
Brian [00:51:16] That was a great.
Angela [00:51:17] Your hands were stained for so long.
Brian [00:51:20] I think that for me in terms of Kevin. The unique experience as an actor playing that role with everybody in that space. So it's not a specific scene or a moment, but those scenes. And again, not so much the conference room, although that that intimacy I thought brought amazing comedy. I'm thinking about some of those scenes, Steve walking out of his office. Yeah. Or walking in that perspective. Walking in the front door of Dunder Mifflin and there being this group scene and there's like, you know, the image of a ball being thrown around to everybody in different things like that experience, which only came, which only came because we were in a confined space all there for so much time together. I firmly believe that because it is about amazing writing and writers that write to your characters. But the way that we were able to learn each other's strengths and comedic sensibility, that I think is like, Kevin would miss that. I mean, he was fired, so he's no longer there. You're in Austin, by the way. I know. Who knows where she is. But like. But Kevin misses that. I do want to I do have to tell you this, because this is the first thing that popped into my mind. And sometimes that's the best or the worst. Like overall like Brian thing that I wish that I could relive. Was that first Golden Globe thing, like that first experience of the Golden Globe and David Denman driving from my house where we were pre gaming. Angela was there in the hills above Beverly Hills and us driving to the Golden Globes, in my recollection, a Honda Civic driven by David Denman. And thinking we were just going to be allowed there.
Jenna [00:53:39] Well, by the way, not the Golden Globes. A party in a garage.
Brian [00:53:44] Well, correct.
Jenna [00:53:45] On the top of a parking garage adjacent to that. We never step foot in the actual Golden Globes.
Brian [00:53:53] And maybe that's why. But us like getting out on Wilshire Boulevard and him being like. All right, I'll go find a parking spot because we kind of realized there's no valet like you get dropped off.
Angela [00:54:07] We couldn't even make it into the hotel valet because we did have a security placard.
Brian [00:54:12] We had nothing. We had nothing. But that night and how much fun it was. When I think back about at least the, like, extracurriculars around the show like that one, that was just like, the best.
Angela [00:54:27] The best.
Brian [00:54:28] Yeah.
Jenna [00:54:29] Thanks, Brian. Thanks for talking all about Kevin Malone.
Brian [00:54:33] This has got to be the greatest episode. Let me know how it goes.
Brian [00:54:37] Okay. Thanks, B.
Jenna [00:54:41] Angela, I loved that.
Angela [00:54:43] I know.
Jenna [00:54:44] And I am also really loving these character breakdown episodes. I hope we can have more cast members come on their character breakdown episodes.
Angela [00:54:52] I do, too. It's one. It's so much fun to see everyone. And then two, I love hearing everyone's thoughts about their character. We got so attached to these people. Yeah. Yeah. Well, before we go, I wanted to share one last fan letter. It is from Miles D in Virginia. Miles says, Hi, ladies. Day one listener, first time emailer. I'm listening to episode two of Office Ladies 6.0, all about Michael Scott and your discussion of real life people with names of famous people slash fictional characters. And it reminded me of my high school geometry teacher. He was a slim, handsome man who looked like Michael Bublé, but was named Kevin Malone.
Jenna [00:55:37] My goodness.
Angela [00:55:39] Luckily for him, the office was just a couple of years away from making its resurgence, or he would have been the butt of many jokes. That being said, he was a kind, fair teacher. But we all knew he was not to be triuffled with. Thank you ladies for this podcast and for the office. Its effect on me and my sense of humor has been incalculable. And any time I watch the show or listen to the podcast, it feels like a warm blanket.
Jenna [00:56:05] My goodness. Miles. I love that you wrote in about your geometry teacher named Kevin Malone.
Angela [00:56:12] I know.
Jenna [00:56:14] Well, what a great way to end this episode. Thank you all so much for sending in your questions and comments. And a big thank you to Brian Baumgartner for stopping by the studio to talk with us.
Angela [00:56:26] Yes, I'm going to share in our Instagram stories where you can get his seriously Good Chili cookbook. And it is real good.
Jenna [00:56:32] Seriously. Good.
Angela [00:56:33] Really good.
Jenna [00:56:34] All right, everyone. Thanks for listening and have a great week.
Angela [00:56:38] Thanks, you guys.
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