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Office Ladies | Episode 281 - The Paper Ep 8: Church and State
Jenna [00:00:04] I'm Jenna Fischer,
Angela [00:00:04] and I'm Angela Kinsey.
Jenna [00:00:06] We were on "The Office" together
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[00:00:09] And now we're doing the ultimate Office lover's podcast, just for you.
Angela [00:00:14] Each week, we will dive deeper into the world of The Office with exclusive interviews, behind the scenes details, and lots of BFF stories.
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Jenna [00:00:31] Hello.
Angela [00:00:33] Howdy.
Jenna [00:00:34] OK. I have been dying to ask you guys something. By the time this episode comes out, this is going to feel like such old news. But also sometimes when you're a busy parent, you're running around and you're working and you doing the things, it takes you longer to get to things that the whole rest of the world is already done.
Angela [00:00:55] Oh, is this a pop culture something?
Jenna [00:00:57] It is, it's pop culture.
Angela [00:01:00] What is it?
Jenna [00:01:00] Late pop culture.
Angela [00:01:01] Oh, that's my favorite.
Jenna [00:01:03] Can we have a podcast where we discuss pop culture but, like, way after it's past it's prime?
Angela [00:01:08] Yes, let's call it "Late to the Party."
Jenna [00:01:11] I love it! Alright. Here's my Late to the Party. Have any of you watched "Heated Rivalry"?
Angela [00:01:18] I saw the first episode. I haven't, I'm...
Jenna [00:01:22] You watched the whole first one though?
Angela [00:01:23] Yes, yeah.
Jenna [00:01:25] Same. One episode.
Angela [00:01:26] I just started, because I'm late to the party.
Jenna [00:01:29] Yeah. Sam, Matt?
Sam [00:01:30] No, I haven't.
Angela [00:01:32] It's really good.
Sam [00:01:33] I heard that.
Jenna [00:01:33] Sam, it surprises me that you have not.
Sam [00:01:34] I know I'm a very bad bisexual man. I'm being reprimanded by multiple groups and multiple text threads.
Angela [00:01:42] I would just say, that the two characters are both so interesting and they each have their own story of how they got to this place, and their family dynamics, and the pressure on them as hockey players at that level. Just all of it is just really well done.
Matt [00:02:02] I'm watching it. I'm enjoying it.
Jenna [00:02:04] You're watching it, Matt?
Matt [00:02:04] Yeah, I want a little more hockey. That's my one complaint.
Angela [00:02:07] Oh, I think a lot of dudes say that. I think that's a common refrain.
Matt [00:02:10] But I feel this way about any sort of sports adjacent movie. I always want just a little more sports.
Angela [00:02:16] You want more sports?
Matt [00:02:17] Just a little bit more.
Jenna [00:02:17] The hockey element is not on the ice hockey but much more about the machine behind how hockey happens and how you get on a team and then all the different...
Angela [00:02:30] The business of the sport.
Jenna [00:02:33] The business of hockey. But I do feel like everything we're talking about right now is very much like focusing on the coffee mug in John Wick's kitchen.
Angela [00:02:44] And not about the hot, sexy time. I mean, there's a lot of hot, sexy times.
Sam [00:02:48] We're being willfully obtuse.
Angela [00:02:50] It's mostly hot sexy time, or the anticipation of hot sexy times, or the buildup to hot sexy times.
Jenna [00:02:57] Yes, that's very well described.
Angela [00:02:59] There you go.
Matt [00:03:01] Some pretty incredible specimens, those guys.
Angela [00:03:04] What do they say? They're snatched. No, that's old ladies that get facelifts.
Sam [00:03:09] Guys can be snatched.
Angela [00:03:10] Oh, they can? Like, six pack abs?
Sam [00:03:12] Yes, you just used the phrase perfectly correctly.
Angela [00:03:16] Oh my gosh, where's my confetti? I used a phrase correctly!
Jenna [00:03:22] Are you gonna watch more episodes? I hear episode five is where it all happens. Are you at episode five yet, Matt?
Matt [00:03:29] I mean, a lot has happened before that.
Jenna [00:03:31] Well, I guess episode five is the one where people gasp, so...
Matt [00:03:35] I have gasped a ton already. Okay, yeah, I'll keep going.
Angela [00:03:39] Pretty much, I only have an opportunity every once and a while to watch something by myself, you know?
Jenna [00:03:44] Same.
Angela [00:03:44] And the kids have been wanting to watch "Stranger Things," so we're doing that.
Jenna [00:03:48] As a family.
Angela [00:03:50] And so then I'll have to squeeze in my Heated Rivalry somewhere else.
Jenna [00:03:55] Sam, please let us know if you start it.
Sam [00:03:57] Oh, I will.
Jenna [00:03:58] Okay. Well, I loved that Late to the Party segment. Now it's time for our fan chitchat question of the week. This is coming from Charissa D. in Queen Creek, Arizona.
Charissa D. in Queen Creek, Arizona [00:04:10] Hi Angela and Jenna. I was wondering if there is a specific nostalgic smell that instantly puts you in a good mood. For example, I am a native Arizonan born and raised, and it doesn't rain very much here in the desert. But when it does, there is very particular smell that comes with it. The smell is from the Creosote bush. The rain kind of activates those oils that are in the bush and on the leaves and creates this very strong desert rain smell. If you've ever been in Arizona during monsoon season, or any other rainy day, you probably have smelled it. Some people really like it and some people don't, but for an Arizona native it's very nostalgic. It's very comforting and it instantly lifts my mood and I'm just happy when I smell that smell And so I was wondering if you guys had something like that, maybe from your childhood or adulthood, that is nostalgic to you and immediately puts you in a really good mood.
Angela [00:05:36] I loved this question. This is one I picked.
Jenna [00:05:38] I loved learning about this bush that makes this smell in Arizona.
Angela [00:05:43] I just found this so relatable because I think smells really do transport you. So I had a few, can I just jump right in?
Jenna [00:05:52] Yes, please.
Angela [00:05:53] Okay, so you guys, the thing that takes me back to childhood (not only memories from my own, but also memories of raising Isabel when she was little) is the smell of Play-Doh. Like, you know that smell?
Jenna [00:06:08] Yeah.
Angela [00:06:08] Like, you open up a fresh can of Play-Doh, it has such a distinct smell. It just always makes me think of when she was little. It was such a precious time. We would just make all kinds of stuff with Play-Doh.
Matt [00:06:21] Were you ever tempted to take a bite, you or her?
Angela [00:06:25] [laughing] Yes, both of us.
Matt [00:06:26] It's got that little tempting thing to it.
Angela [00:06:28] Yeah, and then you know you can make your own Play-Doh, which I did as well. So there's that smell. But much like Charissa, there is a smell that immediately makes me think of our family farm. It's also a plant. It's called Texas Sage, and it's a type of plant. When I go to the farm, and Jenna, you've got to go to farm with me. I really want that to happen. We've talked about this as a goal, that you're gonna come to the farm and I'm gonna go to St. Louis with you.
Jenna [00:06:59] Yes.
Angela [00:07:00] I used to ride in the back of the pickup truck on the farm because there was no major road. You're just on this little dirt road on the farm. My grandparents would let us kids all ride in the backyard of the truck. And that smell, as you drive through the pasture, of that sage brush is so distinct. I would just breathe it in and there's just nothing for miles. It felt like I was taking all this fresh air and goodness into my body.
Jenna [00:07:25] I love that.
Angela [00:07:28] Yeah. What about you?
Jenna [00:07:30] I had nothing come to mind.
Angela [00:07:33] What? You have no smells from growing up?
Jenna [00:07:37] I clearly need to smell more. I just thought of who doesn't love fresh-baked cookies? Or who doesn't love the smell of their mom's special dinner on Christmas?
Angela [00:07:53] You sort of had some general thoughts.
Jenna [00:07:57] Yeah. I really tried to think about a specific smell. I mean, things that came to mind were Old Spice aftershave. That's what my dad wore when I was a little kid. My grandpa wore it. So that brings up great memories. But weirdly, I thought of smells like the mixture of oil and gasoline that you smell when my dad would gas up the boat before we go out on the lake.
Angela [00:08:24] Yes! That's what we're talking about! You're doing it.
Jenna [00:08:27] Am I?
Sam [00:08:28] Yeah, you're doing it in real time.
Angela [00:08:29] You're attaching a smell to a memory!
Jenna [00:08:32] Yeah, but every time I smell gas, I don't think of being on the lake as a kid. But there are smells, I guess... But I feel like I need to tune into the aromas of my life.
Sam [00:08:48] [laughing] Sure. Pay more attention to the smells around you.
Jenna [00:08:51] I'll be more mindful. Well, they talk about that if you are having a hard time being present, touch and smell are two of the things that can... In some meditations I've done, they're like, "What do you smell?"
Angela [00:09:04] Mm-hmm.
Sam [00:09:05] Okay.
Jenna [00:09:05] "What do you feel right now?"
Angela [00:09:08] Alright, Sam.
Sam [00:09:09] Alright, in this answer, I want to keep in mind that you guys asked me this question.
Angela [00:09:14] Oh my gosh, what are we in for?
Sam [00:09:16] There is a tree from my childhood, growing up in North Carolina and outside of North Carolina, the Callery Pear tree. And it smells like... cum.
Jenna [00:09:29] Yup. The cum tree.
Sam [00:09:30] Yes. Thank you.
Angela [00:09:31] How did you know, instantly, what he was talking about?
Sam [00:09:32] God, thank you for making me not seem crazy.
Jenna [00:09:35] Sam, we have one in our neighborhood.
Sam [00:09:37] Okay, okay. Yes.
Jenna [00:09:38] We have a cum tree.
Sam [00:09:40] The technical term, it's a Callery Pear tree. They're an invasive species. They're banned in a couple states, but yeah... They smell like cum.
Jenna [00:09:49] It's a really...
Sam [00:09:50] Really overpowering smell.
Jenna [00:09:53] It's the coconut water of aromas, basically.
Sam [00:09:55] [laughing] Yes, yes it is.
Angela [00:09:57] Wow, I've never heard of this tree.
Sam [00:09:59] You'll know it if you're near one.
Jenna [00:10:03] Oh yes, you will know it.
Angela [00:10:05] And you have one?
Jenna [00:10:05] Yeah, there's a certain time of year, that when we walk in our neighborhood, you're like, "There it is."
Angela [00:10:12] Oh my gosh.
Jenna [00:10:12] How do we have that here in California?
Sam [00:10:14] I don't know. Someone planted it illegally, apparently.
Jenna [00:10:17] I guess. I know, a hundred percent, what you're talking about.
Sam [00:10:21] Good, good, good.
Angela [00:10:21] Okay, so that tree makes you think of your childhood?
Sam [00:10:22] Yes, makes me think of North Carolina, yeah.
Jenna [00:10:26] I'll let you know when it's blooming.
Sam [00:10:27] Please do, I'll come around.
Jenna [00:10:29] You can come by and think of home.
Angela [00:10:30] If you want to have a smell from home... Um, Matt?
Sam [00:10:31] Follow that, Matt.
Matt [00:10:37] I thought mine was risque, I was gonna say Clinique Happy, because my first ever girlfriend wore it and it's so powerful. Some, I don't know mom at some school event, was wearing Clinique Happy at a thing recently and I was like, "I'm sorry, are you wearing Clinique Happy?" It really took me right back there.
Jenna [00:10:56] It really rattled you, you're like, "Oh wait..."
Matt [00:10:58] I was like, "I need to leave. I'm gonna pass out." Yeah, that takes me back to early high school.
Angela [00:11:04] Oh my gosh, that's amazing. Alright, well Charissa, thank you so much for that question. I loved it.
Jenna [00:11:11] Why don't we take a break? When we come back, we're gonna be breaking down episode eight of "The Paper," "Church and State."
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Angela [00:11:20] Alright, this is episode eight of season one of The Paper. It's written by Ben Philippe and directed by Matt Sohn.
Jenna [00:11:26] Yay!
Angela [00:11:27] Yay! And we reached out to Matt Sohn. You guys know listening that Matt was our camera operator on The Office. He also directed many episodes and he sent us in some behind the scenes little tidbits that we'll share throughout this episode.
Jenna [00:11:42] Lemme hit you with a summary. Ned's past as a high-pressure toilet paper salesman comes in handy when Mare uncovers a story that pits The Truth-Teller against its corporate owner. Meanwhile, Esmeralda becomes a stage mom to help her son book a commercial.
Angela [00:12:00] That was so cringy, we'll get to it. We have a cold open where Ned is sharing that he enjoys arriving early to work to review stories and catch up on emails. As he's going through this storage area where there's all these files of papers, he discovers Mare has been sleeping at the office.
Jenna [00:12:20] Yeah, there's an issue with her plumbing. She hasn't been able to bathe, and Ned notices she really smells.
Angela [00:12:29] My favorite line in this entire episode, and I need to text Chelsea about it, is Mare's response to Ned. When Ned says, "God, what's that smell?" And Mare goes, "I'm doing what I can." She's, like, so defeated. She doesn't have anywhere to bathe.
Jenna [00:12:47] Well, Ned's gonna offer to let her go over to his place and take a shower, but please don't use the nice shampoo. Ned!
Angela [00:12:57] I mean, I stand with Ned.
Jenna [00:12:59] What?
Angela [00:12:59] Well, I mean if you've got a really expensive shampoo... You know, maybe save that for yourself.
Jenna [00:13:06] I mean, maybe you don't want to share it on a regular basis, but a single shower?
Angela [00:13:11] Okay.
Jenna [00:13:11] She's going over there one time.
Angela [00:13:13] Okay.
Jenna [00:13:14] Let her just use the shampoo. I think, I don't know. Well, I don't if you noticed, but Mare is wearing a t-shirt, sort of like a vintage looking tee with a cowboy on it. It says "Sturgill Simpson." I didn't know if that was a real person or... I'm like, "Maybe it's a business. I don't know."
Angela [00:13:34] Is it a band?
Jenna [00:13:35] It's a guy!
Angela [00:13:36] Is he a singer?
Jenna [00:13:37] Yes, and he's so good.
Angela [00:13:39] Oh.
Jenna [00:13:40] I asked Chelsea about it, and she said that early in her conversations with Kathleen, the costume designer, they talked a little bit about Mare's musical tastes as part of her character discussions. But ultimately this shirt was Kathleen's idea, and Chelsea says that she loves it because she's a big fan. So I'm, like, "I gotta look this guy up." I looked him up, he's amazing. Talk about late to the party again.
Jenna [00:14:45] I mean,
Angela [00:14:46] I love it.
Jenna [00:14:48] Love, I'm obsessed now. I'm listening to him all the time.
Angela [00:14:51] Yeah, I'm going to as well. He reminds me of old country, like Waylon Jennings and that whole vibe.
Jenna [00:14:57] That's who he gets compared to.
Angela [00:15:01] Yeah. Well, now we're gonna get into the episode. Everyone is out investigating this giant clog. They're literally, like, man on the street. They've got their notepads and their pencils and Nicole's there and Mare's there and Oscar and Barry. There's a huge truck trying to unclog the sewer, right?
Jenna [00:15:18] Yeah, there's like... Yeah, all these city vehicles trying to figure out what's going on.
Angela [00:15:23] What's going on? It turns out Mare's entire neighborhood has been affected by this giant clog. Oscar has a talking head where he says that Ned's really excited and that this is going to be a big story. Barry is kind of ticked off because this is also affecting his girlfriend's apartment, and now she (I guess) is bunking with him. And he doesn't like that.
Jenna [00:15:40] Yeah.
Angela [00:15:41] I want to point out, this entire time that Oscar is talking from 1 minute 58 seconds to 2 minutes and 27 seconds, he's holding a huge burrito.
Jenna [00:15:51] Who can eat next to a sewer clog?!
Angela [00:15:54] I mean, who wants to?
Jenna [00:15:56] That's what I mean!
Angela [00:15:57] I know! Now, he never takes a bite of it. It's just a prop he has to hold the whole entire time.
Jenna [00:16:03] Yeah, but I feel like as soon as he's done talking, he's gonna lay into what looks like a giant breakfast burrito.
Angela [00:16:09] Mm-hmm. I just found myself just waiting for him to take a bite of the burrito.
Jenna [00:16:15] It doesn't happen.
Angela [00:16:16] It doesn't happen.
Jenna [00:16:16] At least not in the broadcast version. We should remind people we're watching the broadcast version because it's the one that's running on NBC, that's accessible to everyone.
Angela [00:16:27] Yes, it's free.
Jenna [00:16:27] Yes.
Angela [00:16:29] Well, Esmeralda is now gonna arrive to work and there's this long line of people sitting in the hallway, by the elevator banks. It looks like moms with their kids, because they're holding auditions for the "Kid Mitts" commercial.
Jenna [00:16:42] Can I tell you my favorite Esmeralda line? She says, "Why are there children and their mothers everywhere? Is group C boarding on a Southwest flight?"
Angela [00:16:53] [laughing] Why is she gotta throw shade at Southwest?
Jenna [00:16:55] I don't know.
Angela [00:16:56] She doesn't fly Southwest.
Jenna [00:16:57] Clearly. I'm familiar with group C boarding on a Southwest flight.
Angela [00:17:03] I'm familiar with group A because Josh does early bird.
Jenna [00:17:06] Yeah, we try to do that, you don't always get it.
Angela [00:17:10] Well, you gotta be quick.
Jenna [00:17:12] Well now Southwest has assigned seats.
Angela [00:17:15] I know.
Jenna [00:17:15] How do we feel about it? I just booked myself on a Southwest flight and I was able to pick an aisle seat and I got super excited about it.
Sam [00:17:24] I love that. That's incredible.
Jenna [00:17:27] What?
Sam [00:17:28] Being able to pick ahead of time.
Jenna [00:17:29] You like it?
Sam [00:17:30] Yes. Yeah. I hate the free-for-all.
Angela [00:17:32] I like picking my seat. The free-for-all stresses me out. It's like trying to make sure you and your friends get good seats at the movies.
Sam [00:17:38] Yeah.
Angela [00:17:39] And then someone's gonna give you the snarky side eye because maybe you have to put your hoodie on a seat because your friend isn't boarding in your group.
Sam [00:17:45] Exactly. No one's ever satisfied.
Angela [00:17:47] I don't need that stress. We're for it, I guess. Okay, back to this episode. Ken has this talking head where we learn that Softees has had this amazing success with a product called "Man Mitts." They kind of look like toilet paper gloves that you use to wipe your butt.
Jenna [00:18:11] Yeah, he's wearing them in the talking head and they're, like, white gloves.
Angela [00:18:14] Yeah.
Jenna [00:18:14] The idea is that you put these things on your hands and then you wipe after you go number two.
Angela [00:18:21] Right.
Jenna [00:18:22] Did you know this is a real thing and that they're called "Shittens"?
Angela [00:18:27] [in amused disbelief] No.
Jenna [00:18:27] Yeah. They're available on Amazon and they were designed for parents to use while wiping their kids' butts. Like, particularly if you have a young child and they have a big blowout. You can use a Shitten.
Angela [00:18:44] I want to know the pitch meeting for the title of the name.
Jenna [00:18:48] I don't know, it's memorable.
Angela [00:18:50] Shittens.
Jenna [00:18:51] They cost about a dollar per Shitten.
Angela [00:18:54] Are they flushable?
Jenna [00:18:55] No. They are labeled as disposable, but not biodegradable or flushable.
Angela [00:19:02] So they're going to live forever.
Jenna [00:19:08] Well, isn't everything technically disposable?
Angela [00:19:09] Yes, because that means it's single use and you throw it away.
Jenna [00:19:12] Right, but I mean literally anything can be disposable if I just dispose of it.
Angela [00:19:17] Yes.
Jenna [00:19:17] I could use a washcloth on my kid's butt and then just throw it away, and so it becomes disposable.
Angela [00:19:25] I mean my purse. Let's say I don't want my purse anymore. I chuck it. Disposable.
Jenna [00:19:30] Exactly. But it's a big selling point on the Shitten's website is that they are disposable. But I just wanted to say.
Angela [00:19:38] That is some marketing trickery.
Jenna [00:19:41] Well, I asked Greg if Shittens inspired the Man Mitts, or the Kid Mitts. He said no and that he had never heard of Shittens. He said they were inspired by food service gloves. That's how he described them when they were writing this episode. So I just think it's interesting that Greg independently thought of a poop wiping glove.
Angela [00:20:06] I'm not surprised by it. Probably in another life would have been, like, some kind of inventor.
Jenna [00:20:12] Yeah, you're right.
Angela [00:20:13] He always has ideas about things like that.
Jenna [00:20:16] It's true.
Angela [00:20:18] Ken shares that he and Ned have had a few heated debates about how to best get the word out about the Man Mitts. We have a flashback to the day before. I love this dialog. Ned says that he's really ticked off at Ken. He's fired up. He says, "I'm not calling your ass wiping glove the penicillin of personal hygiene."
Jenna [00:20:36] Yeah, so they go back and forth and Ken says something, Angela, about like, "Oh, just because the corporate office owns this item, you're not going to write about a glowing review of it." And Ned's like, "You are correct. We have to have a separation of church and state. We need to separate these two entities."
Angela [00:21:01] That might come back to bite him in the butt later. We'll get to it. So now we're out on the street and Mare and Nicole are watching this really disgusting, giant, massive clump of stuff getting pulled out of the sewer. Nicole says, "What does that look like to you?" Dun, dun, dun.
Jenna [00:21:25] Guess what it is?
Angela [00:21:26] Well, they took pictures. Back in the office, they're showing them to Ned. It's the Man Mitts. Thousands of them.
Jenna [00:21:35] You know, this got me Googling. I hope no one has eaten recently, but I did deep dive on the biggest sewer clog in history. It's called the "Whitechapel Fatberg," and it was found in a sewer below Whitechepel in East London in 2017.
Angela [00:21:57] [hesitantly] What was it?
Jenna [00:21:59] Well, it was a combination of cooking fat, wet wipes, and other sanitary products.
Angela [00:22:08] Oh God.
Jenna [00:22:08] It was 250 meters long, which is about two and a half American football fields, and it weighed 130 tons, or about the same as 11 double-decker busses.
Angela [00:22:23] Oh my gosh.
Jenna [00:22:24] The term "fatberg" was first used to describe the rock-like lumps of cooking fat that used to wash up on British beaches. Because people would pour their cooking fat down the drain. But now it's been adopted by sewer workers to describe sewer clogs caused by people pouring their grease down the train and then it coagulating with other things that aren't degrading quickly. London has had a lot of them, but this Whitechapel Fatberg was the biggest. It took two months, seven days a week to clear it.
Angela [00:23:03] Jeez.
Jenna [00:23:05] And you might be asking yourself, "Can I see the fatberg?"
Angela [00:23:10] Wasn't, but okay.
Jenna [00:23:12] You can.
Sam [00:23:13] I was.
Jenna [00:23:14] It's been preserved by the London Museum,
Sam [00:23:16] Why?
Jenna [00:23:17] and it's on display as part of their permanent collection.
Angela [00:23:20] It's, like, 11 double-decker busses...
Jenna [00:23:22] A section of it, not the whole thing.
Angela [00:23:24] I was like, "That's a monolith somewhere."
Jenna [00:23:27] Also, it has changed over time.
Sam [00:23:31] Good.
Jenna [00:23:32] So when they first received a piece of it, because they asked, "Can we have a piece of it?" They were trying to figure out how to display it. Because at first it was, like, full of bacteria and toxic gasses. So they had to air it out and dry it out. They kind of thought like, "Okay, I think it's good now." So, they put it under glass, but I guess it still had some moisture in it because it started to sweat.
Sam [00:24:00] Aw come on, don't say "sweat".
Jenna [00:24:01] It started to sweat under the glass and then it was started changing colors, from dark brown to pale gray, to dark beige.
Angela [00:24:12] What is it now?
Sam [00:24:13] Oh no, is it okay?
Jenna [00:24:14] It's dark beige now. Also mold grew on it and then at a certain point flies started spontaneously hatching out of it.
Sam [00:24:22] Oh my god. Well, yeah.
Jenna [00:24:23] They said that the flies are gone now and now the fatberg is slowly shrinking. It's getting smaller.
Sam [00:24:30] [laughing] Oh no!
Angela [00:24:30] Is it running out of oxygen?
Sam [00:24:30] Will my children be able to see it?
Jenna [00:24:32] Guys, I don't know.
Sam [00:24:33] How fast is it shrinking?
Jenna [00:24:35] It didn't say.
Sam [00:24:35] Faster than the ice caps?
Jenna [00:24:37] It didn't say.
Sam [00:24:39] [laughing] Oh no.
Angela [00:24:39] I feel like this is going to outlive all of us.
Sam [00:24:41] I think we all need to see it immediately before it's gone.
Jenna [00:24:45] Incidentally, the United States have had some fatbergs as well. Shout out to Clinton Township Michigan in 2018 and Baltimore Maryland in 2017. The Michigan one was a hundred feet long, eleven feet wide and six feet tall. Roughly an eighth of the size of the London one. So America...
Sam [00:25:07] And this is recent too, this is a problem we still haven't solved.
Jenna [00:25:10] It's a recent problem.
Sam [00:25:11] Sheesh.
Angela [00:25:14] Ugh.
Sam [00:25:15] I don't know why, but that makes me think of, you guys are both familiar with the Dave Matthews Band 2004 Chicago River incident?
Matt [00:25:23] Ohhh yeah.
Jenna [00:25:23] The poop bus?
Sam [00:25:24] Yeah.
Angela [00:25:25] No.
Matt [00:25:25] Did they do that on purpose? Or was it an accident?
Sam [00:25:27] No. So the legend goes, on August 8th, 2004 the band tour bus stopped and dumped approximately 800 pounds of human waste, from its blackwater tank, through the Kinzie Street bridge in Chicago onto a sightseeing boat below
Jenna [00:25:43] That was going under the bridge.
Angela [00:25:44] That is so gross.
Jenna [00:25:44] They did it on purpose. The guy pulled the lever. I listened to a whole podcast on it.
Sam [00:25:52] Really?
Jenna [00:25:52] It's really good.
Angela [00:25:52] Why did he wanna sh*t on the boat?
Jenna [00:25:55] He didn't wanna sh*t on boat. It was like, rather than go hook the bus up to the thing, he was just like, "I'll just hit the button as we're going over the bridge."
Angela [00:26:05] He knew they were dumping in the river. He didn't know it would go onto a boat.
Jenna [00:26:09] Of people.
Angela [00:26:10] Of people, oh my god. What was the name of the bridge?
Sam [00:26:13] The Kinzie Street Bridge.
Angela [00:26:15] Kenzie. How do they spell it?
Sam [00:26:18] K-I-N-Z-I E.
Angela [00:26:20] Okay.
Jenna [00:26:21] You know that podcast "The Alarmist"? They did a whole episode on it. It's great. You know, their job is to figure out who's to blame for different things in history. So they wanted to discuss who was to blame for that.
Sam [00:26:35] Okay, good. I love that.
Jenna [00:26:36] Ugh, I listened to it, I blame the guy who pressed the button.
Angela [00:26:40] Well, Esmeralda is now gonna become, basically, a version of "Mommy Dearest." It's so cringy to me. She yanks her kid, Matteo, out of school. He's like, "I was taking a math test," and she's like, "So what, addition, subtraction? What do you wanna be when you grow up, a florist?"
Jenna [00:26:56] Yeah.
Angela [00:26:57] She was yanking him through the street to take him quickly to audition for this commercial.
Jenna [00:27:03] Meanwhile, Ned is starting his investigation on their fatberg. He wants to know who knew that these wipes really were not flushable. When did they know it? Who can they trust? He's gonna write a story about it.
Angela [00:27:17] Mare's in cahoots with him. She's gonna go try to get intel from Kimbo.
Jenna [00:27:22] Ah, I loved this scene.
Angela [00:27:24] She's trying to flirt with her.
Jenna [00:27:26] I pulled a clip, I think we should hear it.
Angela [00:27:28] Let's hear it.
clip from The Paper - Mare [00:27:34] Can I talk about something, girl-to-girl?
clip from The Paper - Kimberly [00:27:36] Of course, Mare Bear. Girl on girl.
clip from The Paper - Mare [00:27:39] Oh, that's gorgeous braid. Is it somebody's birthday?
clip from The Paper - Kimberly [00:27:42] I mean, every Wednesday's someone's birthday. When's yours, blondie?
clip from The Paper - Mare [00:27:48] So, um, the Man-mitt. You guys have been moving a lot of those bad boys lately, huh?
clip from The Paper - Kimberly [00:27:53] Yep.
clip from The Paper - Mare [00:27:54] Okay, here's my question. Have you guys gotten any complaints that they're not actually flushable?
clip from The Paper - Kimberly [00:28:02] Get off my desk.
Jenna [00:28:04] That's my Chef's Kiss scene of the week.
Angela [00:28:08] Oh, yeah?
Jenna [00:28:08] Remember I said I was going to say my favorite? This is my favorite. I like these two women together. I love the line, "Every Wednesday is someone's birthday."
Angela [00:28:16] That's a great line.
Jenna [00:28:17] It's great. I like their dynamic. They're both really funny.
Angela [00:28:21] Mm-hmm. I loved the braid, it's not her hair. So I'm like, "She just sometimes elects to wear those attachable ponytail braid things."
Jenna [00:28:33] It looks like the thing that, like, if you have a daughter and she's in her "Frozen" stage and she wants to have the long Elsa braid that comes down and goes over her shoulder.
Angela [00:28:43] And you clip it to the back of her hair, yeah. It reminded me of one of my early Yankee swap parties and you won the fake hair ponytail.
Jenna [00:28:52] Oh yeah! I won one of those.
Angela [00:28:53] It was as long as a horse's tail.
Jenna [00:28:56] It really was.
Angela [00:28:57] I have a picture of you, you attached it that night at the party and you wore it for the rest of the night. I have the picture of you that's kind of over the shoulder with your giant horse ponytail.
Jenna [00:29:07] What ever happened to that?
Angela [00:29:09] I don't know, you took it home.
Jenna [00:29:10] I did.
Angela [00:29:11] I didn't find it at my house.
Jenna [00:29:12] You know what, that might have been disposable.
Angela [00:29:15] Oh, I think it was disposable.
Jenna [00:29:16] Might have been.
Angela [00:29:17] A lot of people that night, if they didn't like the gift they got, they hid it around my house and months and months later I would find things.
Jenna [00:29:26] Well, you know, we've taken over the Yankee swap Christmas party tradition now.
Angela [00:29:30] Yes, you do it with kids. Mine was rowdy adults.
Jenna [00:29:33] Yeah, but we get a lot of things left at our house, too, every year.
Angela [00:29:39] Hopefully not on purpose.
Jenna [00:29:41] Well, one year Oscar's daughter won a sequined pillow. It was one of those pillows where it's red, but then if you swipe up the sequins, then it's something else. It was just a picture of Nicolas Cage. That got left behind and we get it out every Christmas now and they think it's really funny.
Angela [00:30:03] That's actually really great Yankee swap gift.
Jenna [00:30:04] I agree.
Angela [00:30:06] A Nicholas Cage sequin pillow that changes what it looks like depending on the direction. It's brilliant.
Jenna [00:30:13] Alright, Ned calls Nicole, Detrick, Adam, and Adelola into his office. He needs the whole team on this story. Travis tries to come in and join the party, but Ned says, "I'm sorry, I'm gonna need you to recuse yourself because this story would implicate Softees in some wrongdoing, and you work for the Softees side exclusively." So Travis reluctantly gives up his self-made press badge.
Angela [00:30:41] Ken is gonna come barreling in and he's like, "Listen, you cannot do this. I forbid you to do this story." And Ned is pushing back and then finally, Ken's gonna play hardball. He's like "Accountants, you work for both companies. You're going back to Switzerland, you're out of here." And then he's, like, "Detrick, you are in sales." He pulls him out. He's gonna go sell these Man Mitts now. And then, he makes the accountants leave because they work for both companies. So basically, it's just down to Mare, Ned, and Nicole. Ken leaves Barry in charge, and then Barry immediately kind of tells them to go write a story on "Charlie's Angels." So they're like, "Okay, basically we're on our own here."
Jenna [00:31:23] So now Ken is realizing that there is a paper trail that implicates him. He has co-signed every email.
Angela [00:31:34] He is so ridiculous. He's so funny to me. This whole talking head is brilliant because he basically says that he responds to every single email so that it can seem like it was partly his idea.
Jenna [00:31:47] Yeah. So that when things succeed, he can be like, "I was there all along." Don't you know these people?
Angela [00:31:52] Yes.
Jenna [00:31:52] In our work (not in our podcast work, but in the world of Hollywood), there's always some person when you're trying to get some project off the ground that's just part of the reply all chain, but they do no real developing, no real producing, no real anything. But they're CC'd on it.
Angela [00:32:15] And they just do the reply all with like, "Looks good."
Jenna [00:32:18] "Loving this direction. Way to go, guys. Great idea." And then somehow then they're part of the project. That's Ken. Ken's the reply all man.
Angela [00:32:32] Ken's The Reply All Man, but he goes one step further. He then prints out his reply all.
Jenna [00:32:38] Yeah, because he wants a paper trail to prove that he was part of all of these different ideas. But he actually generated zero ideas. So Ken decides he has to get rid of this elaborate paper trail that he's created. So he's going to try to enlist Travis, and they have this really fun back and forth. I really liked how he was like, "Will you help me get rid this?" And Travis is like. "Yes, we're going to agree on a location. But then when we get there, we'll go to a second location." And then Ken is like, "Can we just go to a third location right off the top?" They're having this whole, like...
Angela [00:33:14] Yeah, yeah, let's get to it.
Jenna [00:33:17] And finally, they're like, "Fine, we'll meet in the parking lot in 10 minutes."
Angela [00:33:21] So Ned is now going to do a bold move, in my opinion. He's going to give Mare and Nicole access to his old Softees email. I think they're trying to dig into this email to see if they can find who's responsible for the man mitts, right? They're doing some "Mom Detective" work here. But he's like, "Yeah, here's my emails. Go through them. I don't have anything to hide." But what Nicole and Mare find, actually, is this... I don't even know what you would call it, Jenna. It's like an inspirational video, where Ned is teaching the salesman how to do sales. Like, he's saying things like, "You've just got to go figure out what starts your engine. So let me hear your engines. Come on guys, open up fellas, vroom vroom!" And then all these salesmen are going "vroom."
Jenna [00:34:04] Yeah, I guess they discover that back in his days as a salesman, Ned was so good that the company asked him to make motivational videos for the rest of the sales team. So he's there and he's got this whole different persona. He's got slicked back hair. He's just like [makes lazer noises].
Angela [00:34:30] "Glenn Gary/Glenn Ross" like, you gotta sell sell. Mare has a string of hilarious comments.
Jenna [00:34:36] She does.
Angela [00:34:37] She says, "You look like you, but like 25% more oily. You look flammable. You look like if Draco Malfoy had a cocaine problem." He really gets his feelings hurt, but he's trying to act like his feelings aren't hurt. And she's like, "Okay, look, I'm sorry, I hurt your feelings." And he's like, "No, not at all. I like being ribbed. You look Macaulay Culkin. Now." And then her look to camera is so funny.
Jenna [00:35:01] I know, she's like, "Hey..."
Angela [00:35:04] He just made it personal.
Jenna [00:35:07] I know. Well, listen, now we're gonna get into the mega cringe part of this episode. But before we do, maybe we should take a break just to get our bearings because we're going to now watch Esmeralda as the ultimate stage mom.
audio cue [00:35:22] [musical sting]
Angela [00:35:27] Alright, we are back. And before we get into some major stage mom scenes, we thought we would kick it off with our... Sam?
audio cue [00:35:37] [Around the Town sting plays]
Jenna [00:35:40] Our first piece of news comes from Cal F. in Deming, Washington who says, "The Mount Baker Boys wrestling team defeated Blaine last night 46 to 40 at the duel at home for Mount Baker. Go Baker!"
Angela [00:35:54] I love it. Julie B. from St. Charles, Illinois wrote in and said, "Mrs. Bowler is contemplating her judgment after impulsively acquiring five baby chicks at Easter time this past year. Turns out she acquired four hens and one rooster. Now she braves the frigid sub-zero temperatures every morning to go take care of her sweet hens that are named Knight, Raisin, Blackberry, and Mary Poppins, as well as the grumpy rooster, Daffodil. Everyone is looking forward to stretching their wings in spring."
Jenna [00:36:29] Oh, Julie, I was so charmed by this one. I just acquired three new foster kittens and I know where you're at, Julie. It seems like a good idea, and now you have just kittens coming out of your ears, or in your case, chicks. But I would like to compliment Julie's ability to name all of these chickens.
Angela [00:36:54] And Daffodil, what a great name for a rooster.
Jenna [00:36:57] I mean, my gosh, will you name our kittens, Julie?
Angela [00:37:02] Alright, our last Around the Town comes from Kendra C. in Clearwater, Florida. Kendra writes, "The city of Clearwater erected a 61 foot high rubber ducky, along with her 10 foot tall baby duck at Coachman Park for the month of January." And I guess, lady, lots of people went and took their photos with it. I'm Googling it, I guess they have this duck festival happening all month. Look how big this duck is.
Jenna [00:37:29] Oh my gosh!
Angela [00:37:30] It's enormous! I'll put it in stories. Well, there you go. You guys, that was our Around the Town. Thank you to everyone who wrote in.
Jenna [00:37:41] Well now that we've warmed your heart, we're going to put a cringe in your spine by explaining what is happening with Esmeralda. Her son is auditioning for Kid Mitts.
Angela [00:37:49] Mm-hmm
Jenna [00:37:50] And he's doing great. Like, he does a good job. He's standing there, he says the script, the casting director says, "Oh, will you do it again?" Gives him a little note. He starts to do it again and all of a sudden Esmeralda's gonna speak up and she's like, "You know what? Can we, wait, do my rewrites. I did some rewrites." So her son is like, "Okay..." He's gonna try to do some re-writes and then Esmeralda is like "[stammering]I'm gonna do it," and then, she takes over... And turns the whole commercial into a commercial just starring the mom.
Angela [00:38:26] Yeah, it's like this "Freaky Friday" moment where she stands in front of the camera and then acts like she's seen some bright light, like some kind of like... I don't know, lightning bolt thing. Her whole body starts to shake and then she's like, "Oh my gosh, I am now in my mom's body. I am Matteo." It's so, so awkward.
Jenna [00:38:46] So awkward.
Angela [00:38:48] Well, you know, there was a scene that was in the extended version that would have happened here. Basically, Ned and Mare are going out to investigate the Man Mitts and they find their lab where they're created.
Jenna [00:39:02] The Man Mitt s lab?
Angela [00:39:03] The Man mitts lab. The scientists or the engineer lets them in and lets them look around. You guys, it's really worth it if you can find the extended version on Peacock to watch this because what the props department must have had to go through to create this contraption. There's basically a Man Mitt on a robotic arm that mimics the wiping motion to a mannequin's butt. But it's on a loop, so it's a robotic arm that swings, wipes, swings wipes. So, just constantly wiping the ass of this mannequin. They had to build that, so I can't even believe what went into that. Matt Sohn shared a little bit about it. I want you to hear it.
Matt Sohn [00:39:54] One of the most entertaining scenes was the one where Ned and Mare sneak into the laboratory. If you notice the machine that is counting up the number of wipes that Man Mitt can do. This was something that Greg Daniels was really focused on and really enjoyed building this prop. It now lives in his office.
Angela [00:40:20] Jenna, that lives in his office. Greg's office has the front desk reception area from The Office, Pam's desk, and now it has this mannequin robot-wiping machine.
Jenna [00:40:35] That's pretty special. It reminds me a little bit of the prop they had to build on The Office when Dwight was making Nate unply, to turn the two-ply into one-ply. Well, things are kind of starting to turn here, on Softees. The Softees employees are starting to get complaints. Kimbo is fielding a complaint call. She tries to dismiss it. She can't believe that people are trying to discredit Man Mitts, their wonderful product.
Angela [00:41:07] She gets really mad after this one call and she throws a Man Mitt at the wall. Matt also shared with us about this gag and how it came about. I think we should hear it.
Matt Sohn [00:41:20] There's a scene where Kimberly throws the Man Mitt and it sticks onto the glass wall. We had to do several takes of that, getting the Man Mitt more and more damp so it would actually stick. But when it happened, it was very funny and the crew broke up.
Angela [00:41:38] Here's my question. Why is it damp?
Jenna [00:41:43] [laughing] That is not explained. I thought the same thing.
Angela [00:41:47] Why does Kimbo have a really damp, ass wiping mitt at the ready to throw at the wall?
Jenna [00:42:04] That goes unexplained. Do kids still do that thing where they go in the bathroom and then you make toilet paper wet and then throw it up and make it stick to the ceiling? Is that still a thing? Is that the hijinks of children today, or not?
Angela [00:42:17] Maybe, maybe. Yeah, I'm sure it's still happening. I'm sure. I mean, here in a minute, the Softees people start throwing the big toilet paper rolls at The Truth Teller employees. They hit Adelola in the back of the head, they hit Oscar and Oscar gets really ticked off. He's like, "Listen, there is an art form to the toilet papering, okay? You don't just throw rolls of toilet paper, there's an art form." That's something I'm curious about, do people still TP houses? Do people go and do the toilet paper thing?
Jenna [00:42:52] Lady, I don't think we know anything about the youth today, is what I'm gathering.
Angela [00:42:54] I mean, we did just say we're late to the party.
Jenna [00:42:57] What are their hijinks? What are youth hijinks today? I feel like youth hijinx are now tech related, like, you make funny edits or something.
Angela [00:43:10] You're not actually TPing a house or putting Saran wrap on the toilet.
Jenna [00:43:15] Yeah, you're not driving to your friend's house in the night.
Angela [00:43:20] Right, for shenanigans... You make a video.
Jenna [00:43:22] I think maybe?
Angela [00:43:24] We don't know.
Jenna [00:43:24] How will we ever know?
Angela [00:43:26] We won't. It's okay.
Jenna [00:43:28] [laughing] We can live with it. Alright, well, let's move on. We're gonna go to a pond and in that pond is a rowboat, and in that rowboat are Ken and Travis. Ken has got a box of files and he is gonna start putting the files in the pond.
Angela [00:43:44] Sinking them!
Jenna [00:43:45] Yes. When he's distracted though, Travis is going to grab some files and hide them in his jacket though. We realize Travis is kind of, I guess, being a saboteur.
Angela [00:43:56] Mm-hmm.
Jenna [00:43:58] We got a fan question from Layton R. in Folsom, California, who said, "Hello ladies, at 16 minutes and 16 seconds we see Ken and Travis in a boat in a lake. Where was that scene filmed?"
Angela [00:44:11] Layton, you always write in the most thoughtful questions.
Jenna [00:44:14] You really do, we really appreciate it. And guess what? We went straight to Matt Sohn to find out the answer and here's what he had to say.
Matt Sohn [00:44:22] So Layton asked a question about the pond that we shot the rowboat scene in. That's actually a tiny body of water right in the middle of the universal lot. We had to stick with a very specific area to shoot because there are satellite dishes in one direction, there are buildings in another direction and in a third direction were where the trams go by, on the Universal Tour. So we were threading the needle in this little pond to shoot the scene. The only reason that they let us sink these folders of paper, that we had to weigh down to get them to sink, was because they're ultimately getting rid of the pond and building stages over them. So they allowed us to submerge the paper because they're cleaning it all out very soon.
Jenna [00:45:25] I have a question. If you had to get rid of something (files, evidence, a body) where would you get rid it? Have you ever thought about that?
Angela [00:45:37] I had never thought about it until we were doing some construction and we had some flooding in our backyard. You can build a dry well, so when there's a lot of rain here... We don't get a ton of rain but then all of a sudden, we get weeks of rain and the ground can't sustain it. So we built this dry well. For those of you guys that don't know a dry well, is 10 feet deep and you put these boulders of all these different sizes stacked in sort of a non-symmetrical way, and it makes a crevasse. So when the water starts piling in and your backyard is getting flooded with water, it goes into this dry well and naturally trickles down slowly into the ground and the ground absorbs it. Which is great for all of the plants and everything because a lot of people, when it rains, they have drains that go to the street and then the street goes into the runoff and the ground doesn't get to recoup all that moisture, right?
Jenna [00:46:44] Mhm.
Angela [00:46:44] So we had this dry well built. But when they were building it, it's crazy. It's just an enormous hole in the ground and I thought that if someone needed to get rid of something, they could put it at the bottom of this drywall. No one's going to find it. Made me think of Tony Soprano.
Jenna [00:47:01] That's what I'm saying.
Angela [00:47:02] Right?
Jenna [00:47:03] Yeah.
Angela [00:47:05] I mean, there's nothing in my dry well, I just want to go on record. But yeah, they dump all the files into this pond.
Jenna [00:47:15] They do.
Angela [00:47:16] And Ken thinks, "Well now, I'm good."
Jenna [00:47:19] But he's not good!
Angela [00:47:20] He's not good.
Jenna [00:47:21] Saboteur, Travis! We'll find out later.
Angela [00:47:25] Well, I think we should check back in with stage mom Esmeralda. Oscar is gonna notice Esmeralda kind of being ridiculous and he tries to comfort her son, Matteo. He's like, "Do you know what gray rocking is?" And the kid's like, "No." And he's like, "Listen, my mom was pretty toxic. She was a narcissist. She loved drama. So whenever she got into one of her moods, I'd make myself as uninteresting as possible, like a little gray rock." And Oscar's like, "Maybe I shouldn't have gotten myself involved, but you know, I just want to give this kid a fighting chance. By the way, my Mom was not any of those things." He was just trying to help out Matteo. Then Matteo has a talking head where he's like, "That old man is a narcissist if he thinks I'm gonna listen to him over my own mom."
Jenna [00:48:15] Did you know that gray rocking is a real thing?
Angela [00:48:17] No.
Jenna [00:48:18] Yes, it's a real way to handle narcissistic personalities.
Angela [00:48:22] You become uninteresting?
Jenna [00:48:23] Yeah. I looked this up. In a nutshell, the gray rock technique is a method in which you do not emotionally respond when being manipulated by someone who is controlling or narcissistic. It's exactly what Oscar says in the episode. Because ultimately, narcissists want your full attention. If you become emotionally detached, they will become disinterested in you and move on. But the minute you engage, that's when they start ramping up and the situation can get emotionally abusive and very manipulative. The article that I read noted that using the gray rock method does not mean ignoring them, because if you ignore them, that can trigger them too.
Angela [00:49:08] Right.
Jenna [00:49:09] The goal is, when speaking to them, use a dull voice, keep a neutral look on your face, avoid eye contact and respond with just a few words. Also, do not ask them any questions. Do not encourage them to elaborate. Do not offer any details about your life. Just be aloof, and eventually they will grow bored and they will try to engage someone else. Also, do not reveal that you're doing this method.
Angela [00:49:39] Oh, yeah. No.
Jenna [00:49:41] It's a real thing, gray rocking.
Angela [00:49:43] I do find, as you were describing that, that when I encounter someone like that, I do just shut down. Like, I shut off. So maybe I've been gray rocking in those moments and I didn't even realize it.
Jenna [00:49:56] But it's hard because I've been in situations with people like that and they'll know your buttons and they will purposely try to push them.
Angela [00:50:05] Because they want some reaction, any reaction, good or bad.
Jenna [00:50:10] So it's a hard method to do.
Angela [00:50:12] Well, one of the things that's a runner through this, is Ned pushing back on Ken about writing this article in The Truth Teller. Finally, he gets to his breaking point and he's like, "If you don't let me tell this story, I'll quit running the paper." And so he does. He makes this big speech to the bullpen, and no one really is that interested. He makes it a real moment where he's, like, "This is it, I have to quit." And then he hands the reins over to Mare. Without even missing a beat, Adam's like, "Will you let us know where to forward your last paycheck?" Like it's already "Blip, you're gone." So now Mare is in charge.
Jenna [00:50:51] And lucky for Mare, a drone is gonna fly in to where she is and drop -
Angela [00:50:56] Very subtle. Who's gonna notice this giant drone making a loud noise, hovering through the bullpen, narrowly getting through the doorway, hanging from it a long string with a paperclip holding some files? No one's going to notice this.
Jenna [00:51:12] Well, they're from Travis. They're the files that he sneaked out of the boat. So now she has her evidence, her hard evidence, and she's going to go find Ken. He's in the commissary. He's at the counter getting ready to order some food. Mare taps him on the shoulder and he lets out this sound. I think we need to hear it.
clip from The Paper - Ken [00:51:37] Let's try our new Greek bowl. There's always a bowl, isn't there, in America? Everything's bowls with you guys. [weasel-y little shriek] Oh, hello.
Jenna [00:51:49] This reaction from him cracked me up. I watched it a few times. It's so crazy.
Angela [00:51:56] I loved everything about this scene. We got this question from Yasmin in Dallas who said, "I love how Ken screams when Mare taps him on the back. I laughed out loud. Did it say 'Ken screams' in the script? And that was his interpretation? Hilarious."
Jenna [00:52:13] I texted Chelsea about it. She said that it took quite a few takes before she was able to hold it together and make this happen. And I guess it was scripted.
Angela [00:52:23] It was scripted. I reached out to Matt Sohn about it and he said there's actually two jump scares in this script. One at the very beginning and then this one. Here's what he had to say.
Matt Sohn [00:52:33] There are actually two scares in the episode. At the beginning, Ned is startled by Mare when he's in the archive room and he discovers that she's been sleeping there and he gives a scream. Then later on, when Mare sneaks up and startles Ken, when she ultimately asks him to give Ned his job back. Both of those scenes were written by Michael Komen. He was very excited to get a very specific reaction from the actors, and that all came from him.
Jenna [00:53:11] Okay, so are we learning that Michael Komen likes a jump scare?
Angela [00:53:16] Is he a horror movie buff?
Jenna [00:53:19] I wonder.
Angela [00:53:20] You love a jump scare.
Jenna [00:53:22] I don't mind a jump-scare.
Angela [00:53:24] Like, in a scary movie. I hate them. Like, you know what I hate? I hate when someone, at night, goes down in the kitchen for a snack and they open the fridge and then they shut the fridge and the person's right there. I hate it.
Jenna [00:53:42] You hate that.
Angela [00:53:43] Mm-hmm. I'm just waiting the whole time that they're going in the kitchen, I'm like, "Don't go. Don't go."
Sam [00:53:48] I'll trade you that for when someone's in the bathroom and they shut the mirror.
Angela [00:53:51] UGH!
Jenna [00:53:53] And someone's in the mirror behind them?
Angela [00:53:55] UUUGHHHHH no.
Jenna [00:53:58] Well, listen, Mare is going to sit Ken down and she's gonna say, "I have evidence. I know that your fingerprints are all over the prototype for Man Mitts, you signed off on all of this."
Angela [00:54:10] Busted.
Jenna [00:54:12] And she's like, "Here's what I'm gonna do. I'm going to forget all this if you let us publish this article and you let Ned come back so that he doesn't look like a wuss."
Angela [00:54:24] And Ken's like, "Here's the deal. We're all in this together. We're on the same sinking ship. Because if Softees goes down, then the paper is gone. So we have all this back inventory now. These Man Mitts we can't get rid of, and it's gonna hemorrhage the company." So they decide, you know what? They're gonna reach out to Ned. He is the salesman of all salesmen, right? Vroom, vroom. They're going to ask him to help save the company. He takes such pride in that, lady.
Jenna [00:54:56] Oh my gosh, I love this series of scenes. So here's what they come up with. They're gonna repackage the mitts as a dish towel. Like kitchen wipes.
Angela [00:55:07] Yes, kitchen wipes!
Jenna [00:55:08] That you throw in the trash. Ned says that they're all purpose, all surface, sturdy, ergonomic kitchen wipes, and he is on fire. He is selling them. They get up to 200,000 in sales.
Angela [00:55:21] Oh yeah, they're ringing that gong like crazy.
Jenna [00:55:22] Here's my hot take.
Angela [00:55:24] What?
Jenna [00:55:26] Should Ned be in sales?
Angela [00:55:28] Yes, why isn't he? Lean into what you're good at, Ned.
Jenna [00:55:31] He also seems happier. His whole disposition changes. He's peppy and spirited. He's smiling for the first time in eight episodes.
Angela [00:55:46] I think Mare should run the paper and Ned should run sales.
Jenna [00:55:47] Yes, 100%.
Angela [00:55:50] Yeah, and then they can date and it won't be weird because they're in different departments.
Jenna [00:55:54] Well, we just solved all the problems.
Angela [00:55:56] We did.
Jenna [00:55:57] Look at us!
Angela [00:55:58] If you need us, we're right here, guys. What you got going on? Ned's gonna finish the episode with a talking head. He says, "You know, there are several ways to save a paper. From writing an important article to quitting, to selling a buttload of rebranded kitchen wipes. Today, it was all three." Well, there you have it, folks. I, for one, now want to see the fatberg. Sam, I think you're with me.
Sam [00:56:25] We don't have a lot of time.
Angela [00:56:27] Right. It's shrinking. It is shrinking.
Jenna [00:56:31] I want to give a big thank you to a few folks for this one. Thank you to Chelsea Frei. Thank you to Matt Sohn. We appreciate your tidbits as always.
Angela [00:56:41] And thank you for everyone who wrote in questions for this episodes and chit chats and Around the Towns. We so appreciate you guys
Jenna [00:56:47] And finally, before we go, I wanna give a shout out to our Office Ladies YouTube because we have gone back to the beginning of the podcast, starting with the pilot, and for the next few weeks, we're gonna be releasing highlights thanks to the folks at Cartuna.
Angela [00:57:04] Yes, Cartuna Radio, they're going to be animating our clips. Because you know we don't video the podcast, but they have found a really fun way to show highlights with their animation.
Jenna [00:57:14] Highlights from our very first episode of Office Ladies, where we break down the pilot of The Office, is up now on our YouTube page. What's really special about it is that we are able to include a bunch of our personal photos from the pilot. They pop up throughout the animation, and I just love it. I love this new visual way. It's a special treat.
Angela [00:57:38] So go check it out, I'll put a link in our stories and we hope you guys have such a great week.
Jenna [00:57:43] See you next week!
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Jenna [00:58:02] Thank you for listening to Office Ladies.
Angela [00:58:04] Office Ladies is a presentation of Audacy and is produced by Jenna Fischer and Angela Kinsey.
Jenna [00:58:09] Our senior producer is Matt Beagle. Our audio engineer is Sam Kieffer, and our associate producer is Aynsley Bubbico.
Angela [00:58:17] Audacy's executive producer is Leah Reis-Dennis.
Jenna [00:58:20] Office Ladies was mixed and mastered by Bill Schultz.
Angela [00:58:23] Our theme song is "Rubber Tree" by Creed Bratton.